I’m not going to post the layout pictures as they are really hard to see. The layout was sprayed in orange and the sun was bright.

Enjoy.

Excavation…

Plumbing, rebar, and electrical…Not all of the equipment is there yet. We are missing the heater and heat pump.

Gunite…

Coping, tile, and decking will be the next step. That should be done next week. We have to water the gunite a few times a day for 5 days to let it cure before anything else can be done.
Will do. They did this in a week and a half, so I figure it’ll be about 2 more weeks before we can swim. It’s a good thing I live in TX because I still have a couple more months that it will be warm and will be able to jump in a cool off. We will be able to swim in the winter as well since the heater will heat the pool and spa.
Nice! I just had my pool re-plastered…so it started out like yours is right now. Just a few more days until the chlorine levels are perfect.
What color plaster did you go with? White, light grey, dark grey? Got any pics?

Si! I can’t wait to jump in it. All I can do right now is walk around in it while I water the gunite.
Thanks! We are so ready for the watering stage to be over with. It took me 45 minutes to water the gunite last night. It just kept soaking the water up, but I guess when it is 100+ degrees outside that’ll happen.

I got white – I’m in northern california and my pool is almost completely unshaded…full sun. In the summer months, the water temp gets to the high 80′s – which is very borderline "too warm"…if I had selected a darker plaster, it would have heated the water even further. So if you’re in a cooler state, or have shade, then go for a colored plaster. Also, I hear the dark grey is hard to maintain…get calcium deposits, cracks show up white, etc.

I do have pics…just have to put them together. Will post soon (if I remember!).
Well, we don’t have much shade and I am in North Texas. It’s been in the 100′s this week. We are going with a Midnight Blue Pebble finish so I know it will get pretty warm. We are going to have the pool and waterfall running during the middle of the day to keep the water circulating and help the temperature from rising too much. I know it will get pretty warm, but I wanted this color of Pebble Tec so I will just have to deal with the warm water.
Tile and coping will be done this afternoon so I should have more pics this evening. Looks like the pool may be completed early next week.
I can’t wait to see more picture…looks like it will be an amazing backyard retreat. Plus, I guess I have never seen a pool install….so it’s quite informative
Well, I wasn’t able to get pictures of the tile and coping yesterday. Our design consultant forgot to tell the guys what color mortor and coping we wanted. So…they will be out today to do it all.

Hopefully, I’ll have pics up tonight.
Wow its very interesting to see the process of making a pool. I guess I better put away my shovel and dreams of creating my own pool
Hey, you can do it on your own. Many people have. They went the owner/builder route. It’s much cheaper. You will still want an excavation company to come out. It’ll be thousands cheaper than going with a pool company.
Tile and coping pictures. They will be back tomorrow to do the waterfall and finish up the tiling.

Mind telling us how expensive this was? Maybe a quick detailed breakdown? It looks AWESOME! Why’d you choose gunite? I believe I saw part of a black lab in picture one – did you go with gunite so your dog could swim with you? What was the total elapsed time on this?
Is gunite what we see them spraying? Or is that cement? What do you mean tile – are you putting down tiles in the pool? Sorry if these are stupid questions.
looking good so far if/when you have kids, having a pool is priceless! our pool is going to need some re-finishing soon i think its more than ten years old now…

It was in the 30′s. Would have been in the 40′s, but we haggled them and we were getting quotes from other pool builders. They came down to what another builder quoted. It was between the two of them and we liked the this one best.

I don’t have the detailed breakdown of it. Base pool started at 19k and we added stuff from there. Flagstone coping, upgraded tile, Pebble Tec, spa, waterfall, etc.

I went with gunite because of the peeble textured walls and floor that I wanted. Pebble Tec. Oh…and a liner pool would have been ripped by the dogs nails, and the fiberglass one was more than the gunite.

The dog is a Border Collie. She loves to swim.

Total elapsed time so far is just shy of 3 weeks.

Yes, that is gunite. It is a cement mixture. Another name for it is shotcrete.

No, the tile is for the what right under the coping. It’s the blue/tan/etc tile going around the pool up top on the inside. Flagstone is the coping or ledge if you want to call it that.

Thanks!

You should check out Pebble Tec, Pebble Fina, Crystalstones, etc. It is so nice and smooth.

Labor Day weekend.

wouldnt those be a lot more expensive than just re doing whatever finish it had? (im guessing its cement or whatever they used 10 years or so ago)
Yes, but they last a lot longer than a plaster finish.

Cement/gunite is under the plaster (the finish you are needing redone). They would only be redoing your plaster unless you had cracks in the gunite.
i think they maybe just need to re-finish the plaster then? I dont think there are any cracks, its just starting to wear Ill ask them about quotes for those other finishes too I dont have any detailed pics of the pool, but its very old school-like :

best i could find

Ooo…I love the mosiacs and the doggah. If we weren’t going with such a dark pebble finish, we would get mosiacs. They just won’t show up well.

Yeah, that’s plaster. Hey, I’ll take an older pool over not having a pool anyday. At least you didn’t have to incur the costs of having one put in. Oh…and you can just get the plaster painted, but that won’t last very long at all.
Yeah those are two beta fish (japanese fighting fish?) and yeah it came with the house thankfully.

my boss put in a pool recently and it fucking rocks IMO, i love the materials, and i think the finish inside is some type of pebble like you mentioned. check these out (nevermind the goofballs inside it, those are some co-workers)

i just love the tile and the "deck" materials…
Having seen the project completed, do you think you could have done any/all of the work yourself? Forgive my ignorance here… But, if you let border collie in the pool, won’t the chlorine upset it’s skin? Do you need to use a special chemical?

Can you post some pics of your house? Are you planning on completing any additional lanscaping projects in your back yard?
dogs are ok as long as you hose them down with fresh water afterwards or if theyre extra sensitive , bathing them after, and drying out their ears.

their skin isnt any more sensitive than humans , AFAIk.

I probably could have done the design, layout, dug the trenches for the plumbing, setup the equipment, and do the tile, coping, and decking. Oh…and the waterfall too. I wouldn’t have been able to do the excavation, gunite, or the pebble finish.

Dogs are fine. As someone else has said, their skin is like ours. They will get rinsed afterwards though.

We will be doing tons of landscaping. Palm trees, tropical plants, etc.

Here are a couple pics of the waterfall they finished today. Sorry…these are a little big.

And yes…those are dead bushes. They used to be shaded by a Bradford Pear and a Live Oak, but those had to go for the pool to fit. Now they are baked by the sun and dying. I never really like the bushes anyway.
wow that looks awesome. Keep taking pics of the progress.
Thanks! They will be forming the deck today and hopefully pouring it tomorrow. I’ll probably have more pics tonight or tomorrow.
I’ve got more! Only of the decking being formed though. Our heater being on backorder has delayed us some. They said it weighs 400 lbs so they wanted to get it in place before pouring the deck.

Oh…and ignore the dogs that look high in these pics. Don’t know what they’ve been smokin.

the dogs look fine to me.

So I guess you can sell the lawnmower now. Your yard is almost all concrete!

fill the remaining grass area with perennial plants/shrubbery and low maintenance ground cover

pretty pool – hope you get to enjoy it soon

Yeah, there won’t be much left after this is all done. Too bad we still have the front yard.

I would so do that if we didn’t have the dogs. Around the pool, I will be planting perennials and tropicalisque plants. I’ll leave that little bit of grass you see by the pool equipment for the pottying.
They delivered it on Saturday. I was going to go out yesterday and take pics, but it rained, and it’s been raining all day today. Good news is we will have our deck completed tomorrow, Pebble finish on Wednesday, acid wash on Thursday, and fill on Friday. So…it’ll be ready for labor day weekend!

Oh, and the heater is HUGE!!!!! We also found out that it will heat and cool the pool. So…in these 100+ degree days, I can cool the water so it won’t feel like I am in a huge bath tub.

ha! cool. I never knew you could cool the water. Of course I know absolutely nothing about pools.
the thing i dont understand though is why are they using sand as a subbase for the concrete? especially since it doesn’t even look like it’s been compacted down at all.

Hey, I didn’t know they could do that either.

It has been compacted down, just not in those pics. We had to soak it with soaker hoses for a few days before they would do the concrete and compact it.

I’m pretty sure they use sand for a lot of decking around here. We had a pavestone patio put in and they used sand. We soaked it, then it was compacted.

Oh…there is also rebar and mesh in their too.
More pics! The deck has been poured. We will be filling the pool either today or tomorrow. Oh, and the color is not done on the deck yet. They will do that next week when they seal it.

awesome! I would imagine if you’re just filling it, you cant actually go swimming in it for Labor Day? The chemicals have to get balanced out or something?
make sure the first person in it does a huge cannonball
That looks really nice! I like the look of modern pools, mine is plain and blue.

I just emptied and filled mine a couple weeks ago, other than taking 24 hours for the garden hose to fill it and tossing in some chlorine the chemical balance was really close right away. I cant imagine why the pool couldnt be used by this weekend.

No….you can swim in it. Just won’t be any chemicals in it until pool school. Oh…and it looks like we got set back to Wednesday. It rained last weekend and Monday so everyone got pushed back. No swimming at all this weekend. Not until Wednesday. If they get a cancellation they’ll come out.

I plan to be in it as it fills. I will get out and do a cannonball though.
Pool is complete and full of water! The color for the deck is coming next week. They like to wait until everything is completed before they do that last step.

Sorry about the pics not being in order. My photobucket has issues with moving things around. So…you can start in the middle…move to the top…and then go to the bottom of the post to see the pics in order.

Wash cloth at the end of the hose. Keeps the metal part of the house from scratching the surface of the pool and it also looks like it keeps rust from the end of the hose out of the pool and onto the cloth.

Thanks! It’s great. I’ve been swimming for a couple of days now and boy did I miss being able to swim whenever I wanted to.
I almost forgot to come back and check this thread. Your pool looks BEAUTIFUL!
what was the total cost for something like that? around 20k?
Thanks everyone. Total cost was about 33k. Would have been around 40k, but we got all the pool equipment free. Plus, they gave us a gift card in the amount of $1,500 to Sunnyland Patio Furniture store. That $1,500 didn’t go far, but it helped. You can actually see the furniture we bought with it in some of the pics.

Oh…and the pool is a lot bluer now that the chemicals are in and balanced. I’ll have to take more pics when we do our landscaping.
looks awesome! that pebble finish looks nice. I’d almost want to throw some koi in there
Thanks! We love the pebble finish. Feels nice on the feet too.

If I ever decide that I don’t want to swim in it anymore, I just may do that.
Wow man, that looks really nice! Any reason you didn’t make the hot tub part a little bit bigger? Or are the pictures just a little decieving?
Thanks! We didn’t want a huge spa. It seats 6 and is 7ft ?" long and 4 feet wide. The pictures are a little deceiving, but it is still small compared to most. It’s only the two of us so, we didn’t want to go too large.
wow man have to say im very jealous, looks awesome! just need a little landscaping around it and it will be totally pimp
Thanks! We are going to start planting some flowering shrubs this week (azaleas). We will have to wait for most of the landscaping to be done in spring. We are in Texas, but it does get below freezing in the winter and if we plant certain things now that aren’t trees or shrubs, they will die. So…I think I’ll have to bring this thread back to life next year when that is done.

Forgot to mention…the pool is more blue now that we have all the chemicals in. I’ll have to take some more pics for you guys and gals.

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Has anyone ever done there own inground pool and how much did it cost them. I don’t see how it could cost more than 3-4k if you do the digging and the concrete yourself.

Watch out for code, and besides Concrete and a hole, you need lots of underground electric and plumbing. Also stair work and shaping, the form, etc.

$3-4k won’t even touch your plumbing and fitting costs. Hell a decent heater will set you back half that.

It’s not concrete, it’s shotcrete and plaster btw.
you can buy fiberglass in-ground pools in 1 piece or 2 piece which could possibly make the job do-able.

unless your doing a vinyl liner with concrete wall pool. but either way your not going to do it for 3-4k and with a backhoe you could dig it in a few hours not weeks.
sorry Im not going to do your work, but there was a huge pool thread in this forum already. Try page 2,3, or 4 of this forum.

not with my schedule

it takes us two hours tops to do a big pool, what are you planning on doing diging for 15 minutes a day?

how big are you talking? the company we hired took nearly a week.

there was a retaining wall issue, but still.

2-2.5 hours for this one, and this is a larger one.

no, but when you use one for a living it doesn’t take very long to get the job done, when you don’t hardly ever use one it can take a while

I wish I was rich
Buy a can of spray paint and some wooden stakes and start digging, do the rebar frame and have a pool company come out and do the gunite or shotcrete as well as marking out the inlets and outlets. I say you can do it all for 10grand.

yeah good luck finding a company willing to pour a job they didnt set-up. The price is usually more when we have to finish some homeowner’s half assed attempt at doing something.
you’re fucking crazy. you’re about $15,000 underestimated on your cost, and its FAR FAR FAR more technical than you could possibly imagine.

i wouldnt touch that shit with a 10 foot pole.
I don’t know dude – that’s a lot of weight and a lot of money.
That much water is heavy, plus if it leaks, you’re out all the chemicals it took to treat that water.
I’d put some serious thought into it.
I don’t know anybody who’s homebrewed a pool
I used to know a guy that did it but I met him after the fact so I don’t know much about the specifics.
I know he basically dug a big-ass hole (remembering to add some steps, etc), concreted it and then covered it with a liner. I’ve been in it a few times and it seemed just fine to me.
The tricky part is probably going to be running the plumbing, no idea how that stuff works.

This article looks like it might go over a lot of what you’d need to know – it doesn’t do full concrete, but goes over how to install one with plastic walls and a concrete floor:

yeah see everone just seems to gloss over that part like it just happens after the mix leaves the chute.
I’m a DIY’er kinda guy.. but would never touch my own pool.

Don’t forget your permit.

Well, I personally wouldn’t have the first clue what I’m doing when it comes to pretty much any of this stuff, but I don’t want to just assume the OP doesn’t either. The guy I was referring to wasn’t a construction worker or anything like that.. he was a factory manager who worked on cars as a hobby. Yet he did just fine.

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NORMALLY everything works fine. Everything blends together in the yogurt and it comes out delicious.

About 30% of the time, however, the yogurt just breaks apart. You get this watery liquid with tiny white blobs floating in it. It doesn’t taste good at all and we wind up tossing it out.

Does anyone have any idea what this shit is? Is it because the pan is too hot? Is it because we’re using low-fat yogurt? What can we do?
Higher fat yogurt will help prevent curdling as will adding a little bit of flour to the yogurt when it is put into the pan.
If the pan is too hot that’ll do it. Also, canned peas taste like dead. Switch to frozen.
mmm curry. This is a good idea. What kind of yougurt does she use? Greek yogurt like Fage? What brand of curry? I like curry, but always end up with something too sweet.

Well, we use this stuff, only the hot version:

Now, when I make it myself I follow the directions on the label, which call for a tomato based curry. It’s pretty simple. Some olive oil, add the meat (I like beef or lamb), let the meat cook for a bit, add the paste, stir for a few minutes, then add a large can of tomato sauce. After that you just add cayenne pepper to taste and throw in some chopped potatoes if you want and let it simmer for 45 minutes.

That whole process takes an hour or so.

Now my wife, she’s smart. She makes me a curry that tastes just as good and takes 5 minutes of work and then 10 minutes of simmering.

She slices up a potato into thinnish slices and puts them in a frying pan with some pam and a little bit of water. This softens the potatoes. Once they’ve cooked for a few minutes she throws in a small can of peas. Now, while this was going on she was cooking some chicken, the type that is already cooked and frozen (not like you can taste any difference when you’re eating curry), in another frying pan. Once that’s ready she tosses it in with the potatoes and peas. This is then followed by a cup to a cup and a half (rougly one third of a yogurt container), 2 tablespoons of the curry paste, and a whole bunch of cayenne pepper.

Stir it all up, let it simmer, and in 10-15 minutes you have a great tasting curry dish.
Oh, and the flour recommendation worked perfectly. We opened up a fresh can of regular yogurt and tried it. It still curdled. We then put some flour into the yogurt container and stirred it up. Next night we tried again and it didn’t curdle at all. Absolutely perfect.

Thanks
Oh, and for the yogurt we just use regular plain yogurt. You’ll find it at any grocery store. Nothing special.

make sure you drain any liquid fromt he yogurt container itself

find the yogurt with the least preservatives, added chemicals never respond well to either extreme heat or cold

as the other mentioned use a higher fat yogurt to reduce curtling, the fat absorbed heat and keeps the substance as a whole, and use a low heat

and most importantly CONSTANTLY STIR!! think about it, if you por beaten eggs into a low heat pan, and contantly stir, the eggs wont congeal, but if you let is sit for 30 seconds, youve got scrambled eggs!
while at it.. make something like this

both. Cooking with low-fat varieties always requires tweaking as they are much more water based and therefore the particles break apart quicker.

You can always mix half and half with low-fat and regular varieties. Also cook at a lower heat for more time. Curry shouldn’t be cooked on a high heat anyways it should simmer for as long as you can stand it

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Thoughts?
When I plank salmon it’s usually one go then they go into the fire. but that’s just me, also don’t buy those expensive "planking" cedar boards, if you can find a place that sells cedar roofing you can use those and they usually sell for about a buck a piece.

Just make sure the cedar shake shingles you buy don’t have any fire retardant chemicals applied to them.

pfft we like to call that ‘mesquite’
that’s one of the things about cedar, it has chemicals in it naturally that make it resistant to rot, those same chemicals are what create that characteristic cedar flavor, it is very rarely that they are chemically treated.
I’d just like to say for the record that I endorse the message in pixing’s AV. Nothing sucks more than burnt popcorn. Nothing.

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no, you will never recreate the "non stick" with something like pam, each pan has their own purpose.

You can. Use Grape Seed Oil. Much better for you than Olive Oil, although depending on what you’re cooking will require just that much oil. I don’t use a lot of oil myself when cooking but when it needs oil, it needs oil.

And I don’t understand how Olive Oil isn’t low fat …
Sticking is not a problem with All-Clad. Get their MC2 series. Not even risotto sticks to my saute pan.
mmmm all-clad

just keep it well seasoned and use something like grapeseed oil

you can reuse oil if it’s something that you commonly cook/same exterior
I save bacon grease in a jar in the fridge for when I want to cook without non-stick pans.
I just rub a small amount of butter on the pan. Instant non-stick and I used what, maybe 1/8 inch of butter to lube up a 10 inch saute? Not shabby and I can’t imagine getting that much taste out of that low fat!
You need at least 1 non-stick pan for when you want to get a nice crust on something. This is impossible in a non-stick.
cast iron ftw. yeah, they are a bear to work with between the weight and the whole seasoning/breaking in process, but a well seasoned cast iron pan is awesome sauce.

at the same time, you prolly want some stainless pans for cooking acidic foods like tomatoes as well as at least 1 slick, non-stick pan (as Alton Brown once said, non-stick != slick and slick != non-stick though a pan can be non-stick and slick… or something like that) for eggs and such.
If you have a thrift store where you are you can usually find really good deals on cast iron pots and pans, they are good if you have any kind of iron deficiency because acidic foods will leach some of the iron out in to the food.

As fare as for caring for them the biggest thing you don’t want to do is put them in a dish washer or let them soak in water for a long time since this will destroy any seasoning the pan may have.

Olive oil is ALL FAT. It’s just a very light, low-energy fat. Just like every oil that’s liquid at room temperature.

Anyway, cooking with oil is better than cooking with teflon. The extra oil will make you feel fuller and takes longer to digest than simpler carbs, so you won’t get hungry as fast, and you’ll eat less overall.

I don’t buy that grapeseed oil is better for you than olive oil; the only difference is that grapeseed oil is almost always extra-virgin, because there’s much less demand for it and there’s no reason to press the grapeseeds more than once — or to drain each press into a separate container. It’s first-press oil that has all the vitamins and whatnot, not the type of oil; each type of oil has useful vitamins if you get the first press.

It’s worth noting that this is the reason pewter cookware and tableware should be avoided at all costs: the same acid that leaches iron out of steel pots will leach lead out of pewter pots, and my guess is you’re already happy with your current level of stupidity.

yes yes I am thank you very much, that’s why I stick with cast iron, I know what went into it, and there are not any chemicals that will make me retarded. I’ve also got into casting my own pots and pans from cast iron since I’ve become involved with my school’s foundry.

I had mine to the point where I could cook eggs in it w/o problems… I need to start using it again and build the seasoning up.
What’s hard about seasoning iron? Just rub canola oil on it once a week.
It’s not just the oil, but also cooking the oil, as well as all the things you’ve cooked in the pan before. If all you do is oil it, all you’ve got is oiled metal, not seasoned iron. I prefer handed down cast iron, as it’s more seasoned than you’ll ever get it in your lifetime.

It’s monounsaturated.

.

I stripped down my castiron pan recently to remove some strange carbon accumulation that was flaking off of the outside, and even after 10-15 sessions of trying to get it seasoned, stuff still sticks that never would have even tried to before I stripped it.
At work, we’ve got five cast iron pans- BIG ones. Big enough that they almost cover 2 burners on a 6-burner Imperial range. Over the probably 20 years that three shifts have been using them, they have become as seasoned as any handed down pans I’ve seen. I make scrambled and fried eggs in them with no problems.

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Buy European coffee, ground as finely as you can get it, so it’ll last longer. The reason you shouldn’t buy South American coffee is because European coffee is grown in Africa, and like I tell people at work, Africa has hashish in the dirt while South America has cocaine in the dirt. (It’s not really accurate, of course, but it’s a good explanation of the different types of caffeine buzz you get from the two types of coffee. African coffee is much smoother, less jittery.)

I’d skip tea. It doesn’t have anywhere near as much caffeine in it, though it’s good for loading up on antioxidants. I drink it in the afternoon instead.

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Another suggestion: skip the milk. Personally, I think milk or cream in coffee makes it taste too thick and heavy, so I drink it black with sugar instead.
try heroin..

or my personal favorite.. Yerba Mate
Take a couple vitamin b complex and eat a good breakfast. Best pick me up ever.

Vitamin B essentially assists your body in converting food into energy… a very good natural energy boost IMHO
Actually a correctly brewed cup of tea is supposed to have about 15% more caffeine than coffee…

But on a healthy note, good sleep and juice in the morning is probably the "right" way to go. In a real world though, if you’re trying to ease yourself off soft drinks then coffee is likely the best alternative. Beware of getting hooked though, sometimes you’ll get headaches on weekends if you don’t get your fix in the morning.
I really like doing black tea, a nice black tea, like English Breakfast in a good brand, brew for a few minutes(all of the caffeine will be out in 5 minutes), pull the bag out(without wringing), stir in between a teaspoon and tablespoon of honey until it’s melted into the tea, then add a little half and half until it gets creamy. it only takes a couple minutes and is a good alternative to coffee if you don’t like it, plus it doesn’t get any "equipment" dirty, so it’s my everyday choice instead of dirtying a french press or steam percolator style brewer thing, I don’t have to wash anything afterwards.

i agree with this. a good multivitamin is the best pick-me-up for me. it gives sustained energy throughout the day, instead of some shitty burst of energy that you ultimately crash from

Yeah, not a chance in hell. Well…maybe if the tea leaves are fully mature and bitter, and they’re left soaking in the tea while you drink it.

all of the caffeine in tea comes out in the first 5 minutes of brewing.

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What are some good brands of rolling tobacco that don’t have too strong of an odor?
champion ruby, port tobacco

white ox…….just kidding dont touch that shit.

pretty much the first two are the best Ive had

Try American spirit US grown. I think that’s the nicest tobacco there is.
If you get sick from the smell of tobacco, that should be telling you something.

I smoked unfiltered American Spirits for about two weeks, and my breath smelled so bad…I can’t begin to describe it. It smelled like my lungs were rotting. That helped me quit post-haste.

that’s what tobacco is supposed to smell like. if you want something that smells like chemicals, stick to prepackaged marlboro’s. ryo is typically pungent, harsh, and very strong. maybe you can try menthol ryo though
I know, that’s my point. If the smell of raw tobacco makes him sick, then he should stay the hell away from it. That’s what the stuff is really like before they perfume it up so it smells pretty. He’s reacting appropriately to the stuff’s inherent wretchedness.

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