Bourbon v.EDU

I feel it necessary to get some FACTS out there pertaining to the delicious spirit known as Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey. Some people say they don’t like it but have only drunk shitty ass Jim Beam white label in high school or college! What the mother fuck?!? I’ve even heard some people refer to bourbon as "rot gut!" This hurts me deeply. May the ignorant souls who slander bourbon burn in eternal hell! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion however there are many misconceptions about America’s native spirit. I have decided to take time to re-educate the idiot masses in hopes that whoever reads this at least gains a small understanding of this drink. I don’t expect everyone to love bourbon after reading this, however you will probably be surprised about some of what you learn.

All bourbon is whiskey but not all whiskey is bourbon. Bourbon whiskey is legally considered a "distinctive product of the United States," and no other country has the authority to call their whiskey products bourbon. Even though bourbon can be produced anywhere, for a bourbon to be classified as Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey, it must have been distilled and aged in Kentucky for a period of at least one year and then continue to be aged for at least one additional year.

Another requirement to be able to classify whiskey as a "bourbon whiskey" is that it be AT LEAST 51% corn. The other major ingredients are rye, wheat, and barley malt. The "recipe" for bourbon is called a mash bill and differs per distiller. Bourbons made with wheat as the primary (after corn of course) ingredient are referred to as "wheaters." These tend to be less spicy and have less bite than bourbons consisting primarily of rye. An example of a wheater is Maker’s Mark and an example of a (well known) rye is Wild Turkey.

Bourbon must be aged in new, charred American white oak barrels at not more than 125 proof. Also, NO colorings or flavorings can be added. Only distilled water may be added to the bourbon before bottling to achieve the proper bottling proof, which must be at least 80. Distillers of non-bourbon whiskey are allowed to add colorings, flavorings, etc to the barrel during the aging process. Bourbon is actually the most pure of the whiskies so you can’t call it rot gut ya bastards ya!

Bourbon is an American whiskey, and as such is made under strict federal guidelines. Canadian whiskey, for example, is generally considered "easier" to drink than bourbon. This is because it is almost never over 80 proof and it is a blend of several different whiskies. For this reason, products such as Crown Royal have been marketed as premium because of their "smoothness." This is really because they do not have nearly as much flavor as bourbon and are not as satisfying. However they go down easier (for lack of a better term).

There is much more to the wonderful world of bourbon but I would like yous to ask me in person if you have questions or comments. If you want recommendations of wheaters or rye-based bourbons to try please ask! Thank you and good day.
Awesome. Glad to see another bourbon fan. Damn scotch drinkers……
For a rye based bourbon I would recommend Buffalo Trace. It is normally around $20-$23 a bottle and WELL worth it. For a wheater I would say W.L. Weller 12 year old (also around the same price). These are great to start with and will most likely make people want to try other bourbons!
I’m a huge wild turkey 101 drinker, would buffalo trace rock my socks?
WT101 has a bigger flavor than Buffalo Trace. I consider 101 to be a real "man’s" bourbon. I recommended Buffalo Trace as a more entry level type of bourbon. If you’re used to 101 you may find BT "weak." It is still great though and worth the money!
I like Knob Creek but lots of bourbon snobs don’t since you can get it anywhere. In Chicagoland it’s at every major supermarket. It’s very easy to drink and a great one to give to people thinking about starting up a bourbon hobby. It gets them in to bourbon gently. It has hints of licorice and maple.

I think lots of the super bourbon lover-dudes don’t like it not because there’s anything wrong with it, but because in their minds there’s nothing special about it either.

It is delicious, no doubt. However someone just getting in to bourbon would most likely want to avoind starting with WT101 because of it’s bolder flavor.
I’m still not quite sure I understand the difference between Bourbon and Whiskey.

I get what you mean by saying all Bourbon is a whiskey, but not all whiskey is a bourbon. Kinda like all Protestants are Christian, but not all christians are protestants.

So does that mean, the base spirits would just be Vodka, Rum, Tequila, Gin, and Whiskey? (or is it bourbon?)

Sorry this has confused me for many years now.
What the fuck? You named ONE good bourbon there (Knob Creek). Try these out if you’re seriously interested in trying good bourbons:

Evan Williams Single Barrel (ONLY the Single Barrel)
Eagle Rare 10 year Single Barrel
Blanton’s
Pappy van Winkle (any age)

I’m still not quite sure I understand the difference between Bourbon and Whiskey.

I get what you mean by saying all Bourbon is a whiskey, but not all whiskey is a bourbon. Kinda like all Protestants are Christian, but not all christians are protestants.

So does that mean, the base spirits would just be Vodka, Rum, Tequila, Gin, and Whiskey? (or is it bourbon?)

Sorry this has confused me for many years now.

Hi there. Sorry for the slow response. Much of the difference between Kentucky straight bourbon whiskey and non-bourbon whiskey (e.g. Jack Daniels) is how/where it’s made. The differencees also influence the taste therefore setting it apart from other whiskies such as Canadian & Scotch. I hope this helps in some tiny way!

What the fuck? You named ONE good bourbon there (Knob Creek). Try these out if you’re seriously interested in trying good bourbons:

Evan Williams Single Barrel (ONLY the Single Barrel)
Eagle Rare 10 year Single Barrel
Blanton’s
Pappy van Winkle (any age)

My idea was to ease non-bourbon people in to bourbon. I took in to consideration price, ease of drinking, and availablility. If you think Buffalo Trace isn’t one of the good bourbons, I just don’t know what to tell ya, guy! It’s outstanding and for just over $20 per bottle it holds it’s own against everything you mentioned above. I agree that the ones you mentioned are good (although I never really warmed to Eagle Rare 10), but to say Knob Creek is the only good one is misleading.

BLASPHEMY!

Southern Comfort is FAR from bourbon! Hunt down whoever told you that and kill them execution style STAT!

Seriously though there’s LOTS of misinformation out there about bourbon. That’s why I had to create this thread.
ok thanks man. what would you classify soco as? i love it, its got a nice flavor and bite IMO. got any suggestions that have a simular attributes that soco might have?
I don’t know exactly how SoCo is classified. Liquer maybe? I do know there are several iterations of it and that it ranges in proof strength. Because flavoring and other things are added to SoCo there really isn’t a bourbon that is similar. No bourbon will be nearly as sweet. Maybe try a cocktail made with bourbon to see if you like that? A Manhattan perhaps?

I believe it is a liquer. IIRC, it originally came about by blending bourbon/whiskey with peach schnapps. They just bottled the concoction and made it a brand name.
ill get ahold of some bourbon mentioned in this thread. i dont usually like mixed drinks, except like soco and dr pepper or so co and orange juice. i usually just drink it on the rocks.

whoa nigga.. i’m a bourbon drinker but scotch is the fucking shit

buffalo trace is pretty decent for the money

Jim Murray, pretty much the authority on whisky/whiskey rates some lower priced ones pretty high (Check out the whiskey bible by him).. those include:

elijah craig 12 year
evan williams 12 year
buffalo trace

among others

he has a review for a japanese whiskey that’s funny as shit

werd

"If I see Southern Comfort listed as a bourbon one more time I can’t be responsible for what I might do"

Jim Murray

I’m still not quite sure I understand the difference between Bourbon and Whiskey.

I get what you mean by saying all Bourbon is a whiskey, but not all whiskey is a bourbon. Kinda like all Protestants are Christian, but not all christians are protestants.

So does that mean, the base spirits would just be Vodka, Rum, Tequila, Gin, and Whiskey? (or is it bourbon?)

Sorry this has confused me for many years now.

Vodka
Gin
Tequila
Whisky/Whiskey
Rum
Brandy/Cognac
Cordials/Liqueurs

Those are your 7 major types of spirits

There are many types of whiskies.. scotch whisky, canadian whisky, irish whiskey, and american whiskey being your 4 biggest

American Whiskey can be broken down into 3 main segments.. well maybe not main.. but hang with me:

Blended Whiskey .. similar to Canadian, it can be a blend of different whiskies, aging, etc.. not a lot controlling that

Bourbon: read guidelines set earlier

Tennessee Whiskey: there are 2 distilleries in Tenn.. Jack Daniels & George Dickel.. the biggest difference between Tenn and Bourbon, well 2.. Tennessee Whiskey has to consist of at least 51% of any single grain (doesn’t have to be corn like bourbon) and it goes through a charcoal filtering after distillation

So under whisky/whiskey you have your different types of whiskies.. and typically sub-categories of each

What the fuck? You named ONE good bourbon there (Knob Creek). Try these out if you’re seriously interested in trying good bourbons:

Evan Williams Single Barrel (ONLY the Single Barrel)
Eagle Rare 10 year Single Barrel
Blanton’s
Pappy van Winkle (any age)

Good choices.. I like some Eagle Rare SB..
Fawk, I’m thirsty now and it’s way too early to be drinking bourbon!

It’s 5 o’clock somewhere

Truth!
no mention of makers mark. i find it a bit more smooth than knob creek. opinions?
Makers Mark isn’t worth the premium price IMHO. It’s marketed extremely well (probably the best of any bourbon) and is the top shelf bourbon choice at just about all supermarkets. I don’t hate it yet I’ll buy almost anything before I buy Maker’s Mark for what it costs.

The reason it tastes so "smooth" is because it’s what they call a "wheater." The main ingredient (after corn of course) is wheat instead of rye. Rye tends to make bourbons more spicy and have more of a bite (Wild Turley). Many wheaters are known for their smoothness or drinkability.
makers and knob creek are about equally priced here, but i see what you are saying.

i love their marketing

Too mellow for my tastes.. and too expensive to be a mixer bourbon

Agreed. I prefer the rye based bourbons to wheaters such as Maker’s Mark. However, most people think they like bourbon if they like Maker’s because it’s so mellow (hence the wide appeal). Yes, it’s real bourbon but it’s pretty low on flavor as bourbons go.
Oh and I bought a fresh bottle of Buffalo Trace on Monday for $17.99 @ Binny’s. I’m still surprised how excellent this bourbon is and how cheaply attainable! GET IT TODAY!
The Buffalo Trace sipping yesterday went marvelously. Also had some Jim Beam Black today. Much different than the white label. Good stuff if you get a chance.

The Black Label is sort of like a late model Camaro SS. Obnoxious, loud, fun as hell, and goddamn does it ever get the job done.

BTW, whoever tried to break down American whiskies didn’t do a very good job. Tennessee whiskey shouldn’t be on there – the only reason it could be considered is because one of the top selling whiskies in the world is one (Jack Daniel’s). The sad part is that JD is one of only two Tennessee whiskies, the other being Dickel.

I’d replace Tennessee with Rye – which truly does differentiate from bourbon and blended alike.

Tennessee whiskey shouldn’t be on there –

I’d replace Tennessee with Rye – which truly does differentiate from bourbon and blended alike.

why not? where does it go then?

so, the whiskys are scotch, canadian, rye, and irish?

why not? where does it go then?

so, the whiskys are scotch, canadian, rye, and irish?

Scotch, Irish, Bourbon, Rye, and Canadian blended are the typical examples of legally defined whiskies. Tennessee whiskey is not strictly defined – it’s a marketing label, to the point where the only thing that makes JD a "Tennessee Whiskey" is that it’s made in TN, and that it calls itself such.

And you could EASILY make a case for Soju, Sochu and the like to also be classified as whiskies.

The Black Label is sort of like a late model Camaro SS. Obnoxious, loud, fun as hell, and goddamn does it ever get the job done.

BTW, whoever tried to break down American whiskies didn’t do a very good job. Tennessee whiskey shouldn’t be on there – the only reason it could be considered is because one of the top selling whiskies in the world is one (Jack Daniel’s). The sad part is that JD is one of only two Tennessee whiskies, the other being Dickel.

I’d replace Tennessee with Rye – which truly does differentiate from bourbon and blended alike.

You’re always right in alcohol threads, nevermind that we broke it down in different ways

Tennessee whiskey is on there because of the production method and I already stated that there are only two distillers

rye is still a bourbon and rye is in many bourbons, not always straight, but yeah.. you don’t see a lot of ryes… jim beam rye (yellow label), old overholt, etc

Scotch, Irish, Bourbon, Rye, and Canadian blended are the typical examples of legally defined whiskies. Tennessee whiskey is not strictly defined – it’s a marketing label, to the point where the only thing that makes JD a "Tennessee Whiskey" is that it’s made in TN, and that it calls itself such.

And you could EASILY make a case for Soju, Sochu and the like to also be classified as whiskies.

and the charcoal filtering

you could make a case, but many of the type are watered and sugared down ethanol.. and not all are aged in wooden casks/barrels, or at all, which is pretty much a staple for any whisky/whiskey around the world

it would depend on the grain liquor itself

Uncorrect.

If you wanna try a great rye try the bottled in bond 100 proof Rittenhouse. Great stuff. Don’t let the cheap price trick you.

Uncorrect.

If you wanna try a great rye try the bottled in bond 100 proof Rittenhouse. Great stuff. Don’t let the cheap price trick you.

I’ve heard that, unfortunately, we don’t get that in TX, as far as I can tell

You’re always right in alcohol threads, nevermind that we broke it down in different ways

Tennessee whiskey is on there because of the production method and I already stated that there are only two distillers

rye is still a bourbon and rye is in many bourbons, not always straight, but yeah.. you don’t see a lot of ryes… jim beam rye (yellow label), old overholt, etc

I respectfully disagree.

Tennessee whiskey, if not for the charcoal filtering (and the fact that both JD and Dickel have made it a point to differentiate themselves from bourbon as a marketing ploy), is essentially bourbon.

Bourbon, by law, is 51% or more corn. Rye, by law, is 51% or more rye. The base grain is what differentiates the two, more than anything else. Rye is not bourbon, and bourbon is not rye, it’s a legal distinction.

If you REALLY want to try a bottle perhaps we could work something out? Me buy a bottle and ship it? It’s really easy to get up here. OT is family OMFGhey!
Anyone here try any of the Four Roses bourbons? It’s only been available in Kentucky (in the US) for many years but they’re branching out to NYC next month. From what I gather the yellow label isn’t anything spectacular but the single barrel and small batch are quite good. I really wanna try all iterations.
I love Evan Williams Single Barrel…. You simply can’t beat it for the price.

I respectfully disagree.

Tennessee whiskey, if not for the charcoal filtering (and the fact that both JD and Dickel have made it a point to differentiate themselves from bourbon as a marketing ploy), is essentially bourbon.

Bourbon, by law, is 51% or more corn. Rye, by law, is 51% or more rye. The base grain is what differentiates the two, more than anything else. Rye is not bourbon, and bourbon is not rye, it’s a legal distinction.

I fucked up on the rye thing yeah.. I don’t know why I put it from 2 diff theories within the same thread

boubon can contain rye though

and the tenn whiskey thing, already said that
I may be getting my hands on some Four Roses in a coupla weeks! A co-worker is driving to Florida and passing through Kentucky. I asked him if there was any way he could visit a liquor store. He said he’d do what he could
While biding my time waiting for the Four Roses I bought a bottle of Fighting COCK 103 proof today. Doesn’t have nearly as much flavor as I’d expect for a 103 proofer but it doesn’t suck. I think it’ll be good for Manhattans. High rye content and high proof. I give it a C+. Nothing special but not shit.
I like Woodford Reserve.

I’ve also had the original Weller and the 12 year old Weller,…I would say Woodford is quite a bit better.

But I’m a Glenlivet man at heart.
I’ve been going through my bottle of Knob Creek quite nicely lately, it seems to be growing on me.

How do you usually drink your bourbon?

p.s. This is the first bourbon i’ve tried and it sat nearly untouched for almost 2 months after my initial taste.

I’ve been going through my bottle of Knob Creek quite nicely lately, it seems to be growing on me.

How do you usually drink your bourbon?

p.s. This is the first bourbon i’ve tried and it sat nearly untouched for almost 2 months after my initial taste.

I normally drink it "neat" (no ice or water) but occasionally I slam a bottle in to the freezer for a bit and then pour.

Yeah thats what I had been doing, as well. Apparently knob creek has a bunch of recipes on their website but I’m not sure if i would be down for any of those.

edit: Although I might use their eggnog recipe when winter comes around.

Yeah thats what I had been doing, as well. Apparently knob creek has a bunch of recipes on their website but I’m not sure if i would be down for any of those.

edit: Although I might use their eggnog recipe when winter comes around.

I actually did that this past winter! It was OK. Not like the store bought super sweet eggnog most peeps are used to. Manhattans are good for a mixed drink with bourbon.

I’ll still give it a try.
home made manhattans are yummy..

also good (i know, not purist!) is makers mark (or knob creek) with ginger ale, over crushed ice with lime..

home made manhattans are yummy..

also good (i know, not purist!) is makers mark (or knob creek) with ginger ale, over crushed ice with lime..

Highballs are great and I agree, lime goes well with bourbon. Doesn’t matter if it’s not a purist drink, drink what you like!

home made manhattans are yummy..

also good (i know, not purist!) is makers mark (or knob creek) with ginger ale, over crushed ice with lime..

I usually just drink it straight or on the rocks, depending on the bourbon. But I LOVE Manhattans!

Something about the vermouth and bourbon goes so good together.
Fuck I love Manhattans – they do me right I’ve been using orange bitters in my manhattans lately, and experimenting with Perfect Manhattans and multiple brands of bitters.
enjoyed a nice 15YO macallan the other night… mmm.
still have a thing for makers mark though, no other seems to have that smoothness.

I never could get used to Scotch. Dunno why

still have a thing for makers mark though, no other seems to have that smoothness.

If you like Maker’s Mark please try WL Weller 12 Year Old. It’s very good, probably about the same price as Maker’s, and I think better (although I’m not a big fan of MM).

I never could get used to Scotch. Dunno why

If you like Maker’s Mark please try WL Weller 12 Year Old. It’s very good, probably about the same price as Maker’s, and I think better (although I’m not a big fan of MM).

finally got a bottle of wl weller old weller 107. only thing i could find. its not bad. nice smell to it, more oak than MM, but not quite as smooth. there is just something about MM that makes it soft on the palate. id probably put this at number 2 though, above knob creek and woodford. also tried some woodford. pretty good, but just lacking in all areas. had a bit of oak, but not enough. no tannin effect to it, and with ice, it watered down too much.

finally, not a bourbon, but tried some 12yo glenmorangie. very complex, but not my cup of tea. ill stick to bourbon. lol

finally got a bottle of wl weller old weller 107. only thing i could find. its not bad. nice smell to it, more oak than MM, but not quite as smooth. there is just something about MM that makes it soft on the palate. id probably put this at number 2 though, above knob creek and woodford. also tried some woodford. pretty good, but just lacking in all areas. had a bit of oak, but not enough. no tannin effect to it, and with ice, it watered down too much.

finally, not a bourbon, but tried some 12yo glenmorangie. very complex, but not my cup of tea. ill stick to bourbon. lol

Tannins? You’re not likely to find tannins in bourbon…

If you want a definitively GREAT bourbon, pick up a bottle of Blanton’s.

Tannins? You’re not likely to find tannins in bourbon…

If you want a definitively GREAT bourbon, pick up a bottle of Blanton’s.

actually, if its aged in wood (isnt that a requirement of a bourbon?) then it can have tannins. all barrels used for storage of alcohols use wood that contains tannins. either way, i was using it as a taste quality – slightly astringent.

it has to be in new charred white oak barrels.. white oak is pretty low in tannins as compared to other woods used for barrel aging, but they’re not void from the bourbon either